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• Thread starter Hawkflier
• Start date 27 Oct 2010
• 27 Oct 2010

Hi guys after spending my summer yacht hunting and getting nowhere I am now following up on an X 402. As I will get but one chance to own my own yacht I can't afford a total mess-up. Can anyone direct me to a source of technical information on this yacht. I have contacted X Yachts for help but as this is not one of their current yachts I have yet to hear from them. Any views would be appreciated. I was previously looking at Sigmas (36 362 and 38) Dehlers 36 & 38 and came close to buying a Dromor Apollo 12 in Greece I either miss them or turn up problems that are best walking away from, or find that the price is just out of reach! Cheers guys  

I don't know the boat but this is what I found with a web search. http://www.sailingnetworks.com/design/details/d-x402 I don't know if you're generally familiar with what to expect from an X-Yacht. The fact that ten berths is quoted indicates she's designed for racing. SA/D is only 20.2 (OK, some forumites might consider that as on a par with being possessed by a devil but it isn't extreme at all). X-Yachts can generally be raced well. You do need to know how to get the best out of a fractional rig (which the X-402 appears to be) to sail one. They brand does tend to have a reasonable cruising fit out, with quality generally above a mainstream AWB but below the HR/Najad etc. Scandanavian standard, but still they're often described as racer-cruisers rather than cruiser-racers. Some will be racier than that, so if you're looking for a boat that can be cruised you'd want photos before spending too much on travelling to see the boat. Generally, I'm a big fan of X-Yachts and if I ever win the lottery I might well be phoning them. However, if you've a very cruisey background you might have a bit of a learning curve sailing one when it gets a bit windy. They're perfectly OK though if you trim the sails properly. Also get a few insurance quotes before you commit yourself. Some insurance companies seem to dislike them.  

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Which one is it? I had 'a financial interest' in one in 1986, from new. Masthead rig - probably a mistake in hindsight. Until then I'd only raced mastheads, and with a far better boat I wanted to minimse the gradient of the learning curve. Skippered it for several thousand miles and got to know it very well. At that time, there was no other yachtbuilder offering such a well engineered product - if you wanted a lead keel in those days you could only go for a one-off. If you wanted winches that you might actually be able to wind, you paid for the upgrade. Not with X-Yachts. You sail a 402 on the instruments. Upwind you move the (huge) wheel just an inch or two (of rim movement) at most. Trying to avoid saying it, but it really is the best boat I have ever sailed. Only two downsides that I can remember. 1. Keep the cockpit tidy. It's embarassing when lots of rope falls into the wheel trench... 2. The halyard winches on the aft corners of the coachroof would start to cant forwards at maximum tensions. Probably fixed by now on the one you're looking at. If X-Yachts had not produced boats like these, Benetau et al would never have produced their 'F' ranges. pm if you want more.  

• 11 Oct 2014

Hi all, This is the only thread on the X-402 I could find. We are in the market for a fast cruiser to race occasionally, we have considered the x-402 or all the usual suspects to be found in Croatia (jeanneaus, elans, dehlers and beneteau )where we are looking. We tried the 402, and found her to be in lovely condition, my husband is very keen on her. However on the test sail We initially had light airs and all was well. When the sea breeze picked up a little I found she became very quickly overpowered and we found her difficult to handle with only three on board. The running backstay system was difficult to manage. I don't know how experienced our owner skipper was but he seemed to be keen to return to the marina as soon as there was a little breeze. I would be grateful for any opinions  

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Review of X-402

Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season.

The X-402 has been built with different keel alternatives.

Unknown keel type

The boat can only enter major marinas as the draft is about 2.25 - 2.35 meter (7.38 - 7.68 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

The boat can only enter major marinas as the draft is about 2.20 - 2.30 meter (7.22 - 7.52 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

X-402 is typically equipped with a Volvo Penta diesel engine at 40 hp (29 kW)..

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for X-402 is 2.13, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for X-402 is about 320 kg/cm, alternatively 1796 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 320 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1796 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

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What is a Ballast Ratio?

What is SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio)?

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Yacht Summary

• Manufacturer: X-Yachts
• Model: X-402
• Build Number: 50
• Build Year: 1986
• Lying: VENEZIA, Italy
• Price: Sold
• Dealer: X-Yachts France
• Contact: Jean-Luc Chalant
• Phone: +33 (0) 494 45 37 33
• Email: [email protected]

Owner's Comments

The X-402 is a "vintage racing " yacht with marine and comfortable interrior. Fast cruising for a very bargain price !

Standard Specification

Standard X-402 brochure

Exterior Details

• White hull repainted with darkblue stripes
• Osmosis treatment
• Grey antiskip gelcoat on the deck
• Electric windlass
• Teak in the cockpit
• Steering wheel

Sail Handling

• 6 ST Winchs LEWMAR
• Spinnaker deck fitting with spinnaker pool
• Dacron Main 3 reef 2010 + lazy bag and lazy jack
• Furling genoa,
• Spinnaker x 2

Mast & Rigging

• Aluminium mast, racing version
• Standing riging replaced 2010
• Spinnaker pool
• Inner forestay
• Headsail furler

Hatches / Portlights / Ventilation / Sprayhood

Accommodation.

• 3 cabins layout with 1 bathroom
• VOLVO 28 HP Refit 2010
• Fresh water pressure
• Hot water with boiler
• Battery charger

Electronics

• SIMRAD IS 15 Log, speed deepth
• Computer + Max Sea chartplotting
• Autopilot NKE 6000

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X-402 is a 39 ′ 7 ″ / 12.1 m monohull sailboat designed by Niels Jeppesen and built by X-Yachts between 1984 and 1990.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

Based on the X 1 TON. (1986 Int. One Ton Cup winner). Available with masthead or fractional rig.

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X40 test: A reminder of how good a sub-40ft yacht 
can feel

• Graham Snook
• December 17, 2019

Light winds don’t usually make for fast or enjoyable 
boat tests, but most boats tested aren’t like X-Yachts’ new X40. Graham Snook heads to Denmark to put her through her paces

Vacuum-infused epoxy makes the hull lighter and stiffer than an equivalent polyester hull. Credit: Graham Snook

The new yacht in X-Yacht’s XRange 
is not a 40-footer. Let’s get that out 
of the way now – the X40 is 37ft 8in.

She’s 
great fun, and has the nimble feel 
and speed that most 40-footers can only dream of, but don’t think she has the accommodation of a 40ft yacht; the 
40 in her name is her length overall, including her bowsprit.

Her interior is stylish, practical 
and well put together, she’s easily handled by a couple 
and can take you cruising in speed and style.

With that clarified, I can start telling you all how good 
she is and, oh my, she is good. It’s rare I’ll find myself having 
a great sail in less than 10 knots of breeze.

A soft chine in the aft sections helps makes the hull more powerful. Credit: Graham Snook

To be fair it’s also rare to sail a 40ft, sorry, 38ft, yacht with Technora sails and 
a carbon fibre mast and boom and a 2.40m draught.

But 
sailing south from Aarøsund in Denmark in 9 knots of 
breeze, we were having a blast and she was romping 
along going to windward at over 7 knots.

X-Yachts has long been a brand of proper sailing boats, thoroughbreds born to be sailed, not just comfortable yachts with masts and sails.

Its boats are well-mannered and sail fast; with its heritage in racing, even X-Yachts’ cruising range has a 
good turn of speed.

X-Yachts currently build three ranges of yachts; Xc for cruising, Xp for performance, and the latest XRange.

The boats in each may be similar lengths, but each are different from the keel up. The new X40 
is not just the comfortable interior of the Xc38 crammed into the sleek hull of the Xp38.

The hull design characteristics on all three ranges are different: the Xc hulls have more volume to support the extra clobber required by the extended cruising sailor; the Xp are narrower with much slimmer bow sections; and the X40’s hull has more rocker than the Xp while its broader forward sections give more space for the owner’s cabin and wider aft sections with a soft, subtle 
chine, giving more volume aft.

The self tacking jib is standard. The genoa and fittings are optional. Credit: Graham Snook

While X’s Xp yachts have gained a more cruiser-friendly interior over time, they retain weight-saving features, less joinery (although, don’t for a minute think they are stripped out racers) and a carbon-reinforced subframe.

The XRange, in contrast, carries over some of the Xp’s sporty handling 
while keeping features reassuring to cruising 
sailors: lots of useful deck stowage, good headroom and a galvanised steel sub-frame beneath the sole 
which spreads the loads from the keel and mast.

With the average size of yachts gradually increasing to over 40ft, it is easy to become accustomed to their way of sailing.

There’s 
nothing wrong with the feel but, like the freedom 
of an empty winding road after being stuck behind a tractor, sailing the X40 is a reminder of how good a sub-40ft yacht 
can feel.

She strikes a lovely balance of nimbleness and control without being twitchy. Leave the wheel and she will veer off course, but the helm is so enjoyable you won’t want to leave it.

The test boat was fitted with a B&G hydraulic autopilot ram. In the past, when manufacturers have blamed the autopilot for heaviness to the helm,

I’ve asked for it to be removed – and the autopilot wasn’t always the cause.

On this occasion, without the ram fitted the wheel had the unrestricted preciseness I have come to expect from Jeffa cable steering, and it felt instantly lighter.

THE TEST VERDICT

There is no doubt that X40 is one of my favourite production boats; everything about her just seems right.

Of course, for a boat of this quality you pay handsomely for it and this boat did have more than £100,000 of extras added.

The Nordic oak used for the interior woodwork exudes quality and warmth. Credit: Graham Snook

No doubt these improved her performance, and it would have been nice to see how good she was without the carbon rig and with her standard 2.1m draught keel.

As she was, though, not many boats of her length can rival her, given the comfort and build quality that’s down below and, of course, the speed you’ll be sailing.

READ THE FULL TEST IN THE OCTOBER 2019 ISSUE. GET IT HERE

This two-cabin layout worked well and provided plenty of stowage.

A three-cabin layout will be available, but you’ll lose the chart table and much of the spacious heads compartment; given it’s the only heads on board, it is a compromise you’d want to weigh up carefully.

The three-cabin layout works better on the larger X43 where less compromise is needed.

Boats to rival her are few and far between, though 
she sits between the more expensive Faurby 396 
and the Arcona 380.

While all three of these boats sail well it would be unfair to just look at the bottom line as each yacht has her own merits.

Which would I choose? That is a very tough decision and one I am loath to commit to with so few words to pontificate with.

WOULD SHE SUIT YOU AND YOUR CREW?

At 38ft, the X40 squeezes in under the 12m mark, meaning that sails, loads, berthing and costs are all kept within bounds.

The size of the yacht and her sails feel less intimidating than those on a yacht above 40ft.

If you’ve enjoyed racing in the past and still feel the need for speed, but now want a little more comfort – and you have the funds available – this boat is a good choice.

The cockpit is long with supportive coamings. Genoa winches are optional. Credit: Graham Snook

She’s a high-spec cruiser that is hugely rewarding and fun to helm, with a very comfortable, stylish interior.

It’s very rare for me to give gushing praise of a yacht.

Boats as good as this don’t come along that often, but when they do, I feel like I have the best job in the world.

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X-Yachts of Denmark 40

Voula, greece, sailing yacht.

• Max Sleeping guests: 6
• Max Cruising guests: 7
• Boat type: Sailing Yacht
• Length: 40 ft (12 m)
• Bathrooms: 2
• Kitchens: 1
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• Manufacturer: X-Yachts of Denmark
• Model: X-402
• Built in: 08 / 1990
• Engines: 1 x 36hp
• Fuel Type: Diesel
• Consumption: 4 L /Hour
• Water capacity: 400 L
• Fuel capacity: 90 L
• Max Cruising Speed: 7 knots

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Description:.

Leisure Sailing vacation with the "Swimming Pool" always following you...onboard! With this yacht, you are not jut chartering a Sailing Yacht but a unique sailing experience of the fabulous Saronic and Argolic Gulfs! Cruising the Athenian Riviera, the Saronic Gulf or the Greek islands onboard the yacht can include ancient sites, peaceful coves, lively or quaint town harbours; always in crystal-clear waters. A week or a longer holiday can allow you out in to the closer Cycladic islands. An ideal plan can be tailored to your group’s interests and sailing skills. Thrilling sailing or more conservative cruising is your choice. Always carefree and safe with your Skipper aboard, whose presence on board is mandatory. Learning how to sail is your added bonus! Our vessel is a fully refitted, fast and very well-equipped 40’’ performance sailing yacht, designed and made by Χ-Yachts of Denmark. The yacht is at all times skippered and your price includes the amount of 200Euros/day for the skipper's fees. Your skipper, Tolis, was born to Greek parents in Athens, with English and German education and with an MBA postgraduate University degree. He has owned, skippered, and raced 4 yachts to date since 1981 with over 50 trophies and distinctions to show for it. He is fully tri-lingual in English, German and Greek. Besides taking you to lovely places to enjoy swimming, eating and leisure Tolis can and will initiate you to the secrets of sailing.

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• Not suitable for infants ?
• Check-in time: Flexible
• Check-out time: Flexible
• Day use check-out time: Flexible

We had a weekend in Athens and limited prior sailing boat experience; wanted to relax, experience a more localized tour, do a bit of snorkeling etc and found Tolis' listing. Visited Aegina island's many different spots including the Afair temple, Moni, Perdika and various areas to snorkel. Breakfast and lunch on board was excellently prepared by Brenda - we enjoyed thoroughly. Dinner was at a local Greek restaurant on Perdika which was also very good. The boat itself was lived-in with tweaks here and there that made it feel much more personalized than other stock boats. It was spacious for our party and well maintained. Through the weekend we got to learn (and help out) a little bit more about the art & science of sailing from both Tolis and Brenda which was both insightful and interesting. It was a great experience and checked all the boxes we had in mind.

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The X 402 is a 39.67ft fractional sloop designed by Niels Jeppesen and built in fiberglass by X-Yachts between 1984 and 1990.

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x-yacht le pied

ben, le week end dernier je me suis loué un X-yacht, en fait a la base j'avais prevu de louer un lagoon ou un catana... puis finalement je me suis laissé tenter par un X-412, ce bateau c'est le pied, 6.5 noeuds siùmplement sur le genois aux 2/3 (cause mistral assez violent et madame aime pas si ca gité) par contre le lendemain petit tirrage de bourre avec un bavaria 42 et un dufour 40, avec GV et Genois (complet ce coup ci :o) ) 9 noeuds, sans forcer, ca me change de mon bon vieux coronado 760 club... du coup j'envisage de le reprendre pour une semaine au mois d'aout pour un petit tour de corse au depart de saint trop...

Bateaux à location... Imagines ce que t'aurais pu faire avec des voiles qui n'étaient pas comme des planches de contre-plaqué ou des sacs à farine!

ouais... c'est intéressant, je traduis:

"j'me suis loué une ferrari ce w-e, génial, je passe le 140 sans forcer sur l'autoroute, et t'aurais vu comment je grattais les deuxboeufs aux feux verts..."

allez va, t'inquiète, ça passera :p

non quant tu as gouté a ce genre de voilier c est genial , de la vrai voile , pur , pointu , j ai souvent prit un x 412 pour mon boulot( skipper ) tu fais de la vraie voile et pas du caravaning nautique

manque de maturite ? C'est sans doute une question d'age ou de maturite cette histoire de course avec les autres bateaux; meme si je sais que quand je suis tout seul un peu au large, je bouquine ou m'occupe a bien d'autres choses que de faire avancer le bateau au plus vite . Puis tout a coup, je realise que le bruit est different pour me rendre compte qu'on est quasiment arrete; alors , je relance la bete et puis repars a mes activites . Mais lorsque, en cotier ou je vois un autre bateau , je ne peux m'empecher de redeveinr enfant et regler en permanence pour essayer de le gratter ...Si c'est le cas , je me dit que j'ai vraiment une belle bete , sinon , que l'autre doit etre vide et qu'il passe son temps a le regler alors que moi je ne m'en occupe pas tant que ca , enfin il y a une raison qui ne devalorise pas mon vaisseau !

qqn a ecrit:... "dès que deux bateaux vont dans la même direction sur un plan d'eau, il y a une régatte", on est tous de grands enfants, même si on est paresseux parfois.

avec un pote assez souvent, on se casse à règler le bateau pour gratter un autre. Comme on se la fait mettre, on met ça sur le compte de l'age des voiles, du poids, du terrain qui est lourd et des sangliers qui ont bouffé des cochonneries...

... et puis on se regarde d'un air navré, et on déclare en général finalement: "on est mauvais"

là dessus, on reprend un verre et ça passe. :alavotre:

facteur x le x yacht est en effet une bete de vitesse, et parfois on en reve aussi, seulement faut pas oublier que c'est aussi plus sportif comme nav. donc peut etre vaut mieux qu'en rever ?

il faut reconnaitre que les X recents pardonnent plus que les anciens, tout en restant amusants et rapides.

La grosse différence sur un 412 par exemple est la suppression des bastaques, car avec un vieux 42, si tu hésitais une seconde, ça te coutait le mât... mais j'avoue, quel pied!

Mais bon, avec un ship comme ça, même si tu es mauvais, difficile de ne pas gratter un bavaria ou un dufour.

c'est vrai ! même si cette contribution fait déraper le sujet, il faut reconnaitre que les X sont de très bon bateaux, et je suis plus que satisfait de mon 332.

Super ce pres , mais quel tirant d'eau ! C'est vrai qu'ils me plaisent ces bateaux , comme es dheler ; en fait ce sont leurs performances qui font baver . Je suis surtout sensible a celles du pres car aller a 10 kts , 12 kts, ou plus au portant ne me passionne pas car l'allure est alors directe et confortable mais tirer des bords dans l'inconfort et sans progresser au vent est terrible .

Mais le probleme , comme pour tant de bateux , c'est ce tirant d'eau ...et dans notre region atlantique , bien des mouillages magnifiques , dans des abers , ou autres petites baies necessitent de pouvoir s'echouer .

Alors , le compromis est difficiles : pourquoi fais-je de la voile ? Pour aller tres vite sur l'eau ou pour me mettre dans de tres beaux mouillages ? Pour ce qui me concerne , j'ai la reponse , mais je voudrais bien avoir un copain qui me ferait partager le plaisir de naviguer sur de tels bateaux de temps en temps!!

Il y en a un à vendre aux enchères ici à Cherbourg : www.interencheres.com[...]270330/

Question : il a coulé pour être dans cet état à l'intérieur ?

C'est un bateau qui avait fait naufrage en 2018 - démâtage - evacuation du skipper par hélico de mémoire. Quel tristesse de le voir dans cet état. Entre les dommages liés au naufrage et le pillage - gros travail et gros frais pour envisager une remise en route de ce bateau.

bonjour que pensée vous du x yacht x 119 ???

Le 119 est un excellent bateau, léger, très rapide, à fort rapport de lest, avec une carène somme toute assez moderne et un intérieur marin et vivable, pour pas bien cher en occasion.

Après, ce n'est ni un bateau de croisière, ni d'équipage réduit: les bdf ne sont pas angulées et il faut pouvoir vivre avec les bastaques, la GV est immense, le bateau est puissant et à besoin de rappel et a un TE non négligable, un peu comme un FC12.

J'ai bien lorgné dessus un moment, mais à moins d'assagir le gréement,un gros investissement qui ne valorisera nullement le bateau, je ne lui vois pas de carrière en croisière,

Merci pour votre réponse. Si j ai bien compris bateau pas trop adapté au equipage réduit. je souhaite acheter ce bateau pour faire de la régate, des petite croisière et des cours de voile avec des personne souhaitant améliorer leur niveau, c est pour cela que je souhaite un bateau sportif. j ai actuellement un Delph 32 avec bastaque (je sais pas si vous connaissez) je suis actuellement sur deux x119 dont le moins cher avec problème d osmose (d ou le prix bas 35k) mais tres bien équiper et le 2 eme pour 40k un peu plus recent equipment standards mais bateau bien entretenue. Vous pensez que en solo ce bateau doit être difficilement navigable ? Apres personnellement je suis un régatier et j avoue j ai besoin d action lol ... je pense que vous me comprenais

J'adore le 119, je trouve la distribution intérieure très intelligente pour la vie en mer bien que le plan de pont date un peu et le bateau est très très rapide au portant.Y'en a un rouge à vendre dans le Sud, équipé aux RSO2 (Fastnet, Middle Sea)

le problème du 119 c'est qu'il est très puissant et les surfaces de voiles sont très grandes: dés que le vent monte il faut un équipage nombreux et expérimenté. Le risque de se faire mal ou de perdre le mât en empannant sous spi dans 20-25 nds est réel, à moins d'être 8 qui savent (spi symétrique+bastaque), donc pas avec des équipiers payants.

Sur le tour d'Irlande 2018 en First 40 entre 3 et 35 nds avec 4 pros et 6 payants on serrait les fesses pour les manoeuvres dés que le vent atteignait les 20 nds ...

Si ton truc c'est un bateau de large typé One Tonner pas cher, en bon état, bien équipé en sécu, et maniable à deux comme à dix, je contacterai FC12 sur Héo qui vend toujours son FC12 refait pour la dernière TSQ: mât carbone, quille récente, sécu à jour et électronique au top avec deux transats sans casse (toujours bon signe) pour pas bien cher...

ok merci de répondre rapidement ,j avoue que jeu me vois pas lancé le ski sur du 20 noeud en croisière .seulement en régate avec un bon equipage ok je vais voir se FC12 je ne connais pas

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Oui je crois qu’il s’était échoué sur la Sardaigne après un démâtage dans les bouches.

@Cedric, et il a fait Sardaigne --> Cherbourg en avion cargo ?

c'était celui ci www.premar-manche.gouv.fr[...]asquets twitter.com[...]8209281

Merci pour l'info. Ça doit vraiment être traumatisant comme situation.

La situation administrative du bateau est etrange Pas de papier Vendu par agrasc

Ajouter a cela l etat interieur.

A se demander si derriere le naufrage il n y a pas eu une visite des douanes et saisie

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