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!Ahoy Folks! I am trying to find more info on the construction of the US built VANCOUVER 27 Cutter designed by Robert Harris. I am most keen on knowing how the aft end of the keel and strut are built. Any one out there know of any problems with this unique feature? Looks stout to me in fotos but I have not seen one in person. I know bad engineering or materials selection can sometimes lead to failure in seemingly ample scantlings. Also if any on knows of source(s) of info on this model Please advise me. Thanks, Michael Scott  

Just bought a V27, UK Pheon-built 1982, and saw some cracking on the top of the rudder strut along its length. Ground down to the depth of the crack (a couple inches)and found a bunch of moldy foam core. Just had to clean it up and refill with a bunch of epoxy and GRP cloth. Now stronger than the strut ever was before. Otehrwise, like the rest of the boat, it seems to be very solidly constructed. There is no core material anywhere amongst the rest of the hull, as far as I know.  

As far as I know the Vancouver 27 was never built in the US. As laika posted Pheon built them in the UK. The originals were built in Vancouver B.C. by Tradewind Boats - actually in Port Coquitlam, a suburb of Vancouver. After that they were built by Philbrooks in Sidney B.C., and then Seair Marine. I stood in the prototype at a floating boat show in Richmond B.C. in the early 70's and Robert Harris was present. Although SailboatData.com attributes the design to Maclear and Harris it was designed solely by Robert Harris several years after he left the N.Y firm. It was the only unfinished boat I have ever toured at a boat show. The interior was just a bare plywood mockup even though it was in the water. I have always thought they were a great boat for a couple or singlehander going offshore.A friend sailed to New Zealand and back on one in the 80's.  

Brian, I think you are correct though I'm not sure if anyone still builds them your side of the Atlantic. They are still being built in the UK. Vancouver  

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Vancouver 27

Vancouver 27 is a 27 ′ 0 ″ / 8.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Robert B. Harris and built by Tradewind Yachts, Seair Marine Ltd (British Columbia, Canada), Philbrook's Boatyard, Pheon Yachts Ltd., and Northshore Yachts starting in 1972.

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The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

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CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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The first in the Vancouver Yacht series, the Vancouver 27 is a ‘go anywhere’ pocket cruiser designed by Canadian Robert Harris in 1972. This sturdy 27-foot cutter was squarely aimed for couples looking to sail the world’s oceans. Purpose built for exactly this purpose, the first boat sailed successfully from British Columbia to New Zealand and back. The solid good-looking design attracted enough attention that molds were made from the second boat built. Various versions went on to be produced in Canada and in England and more than 250 have been built in total including the extended 28 foot version, the Vancouver 28, which is still being made in England today. Canadian production ended when the molds were destroyed by a storm in 1988.

Though small and relatively heavy, she’s uncompromising with few concessions to speed and performance. Under the waterline there’s a full keel with a cutaway forefoot which gives her a stable helm and good balance on all points of sail. In the UK the design was tweaked by adding three inches to the beam at the waterline to stiffen her up, the result being a pronounced tumblehome in the hull which the Canadian boats don’t have.

In breaking seas her high freeboard, neat cockpit and built in bridge deck help prevent water below. Her propeller and rudder are protected from grounding and fouling damage by the set-up of her keel, skeg and stern-post. Lots of headroom, plenty of stowage space and ease of handling are characteristic. As would be expected by the design she’s not fast nor particularly close winded but she’s easy to handle in all conditions and ideal for a short-handed crew. English sailor Rona House can testify to this having completed a solo circumnavigation in her Vancouver 27. The cutter rig gives maximum sail plan versatility and the outboard rudder allows for use of self-steering mechanisms that are a cruiser’s best friend on long passages. Experience has shown that her traditional hull design copes easily with the rigors of offshore passages, even when chock full of cruising gear.

Inside the Vancouver 27 is a sensible small-boat layout just made for a couple at sea with three berths being the norm, although a four berth layout was also available. The three berth version has no berth forward but instead has the third berth aft in the saloon leaving plenty room for stowage up front as well as space for a generously sized quarter berth, galley and chart table. 6′ 6″ of headroom heads up the comfort factor inside.

Buyer’s Notes

The majority of boats are to be found in the UK although some can still be found in North America.  New boat prices can be obtained from Northshore yachts and a current search of the used boat market reveals prices for these boats between 12,200 – 26,600 Pounds Sterling or 19,500- 41,500 Canadian dollars depending on age and condition. Although no major problems have been discovered, the heel of the rudder is one weak point that needs careful inspection.

Links, References & Further Reading

» Vancouver 27 Review on boats.com »  Vancouver 27 Brochure on patsturgeonyachts.com »  Vancouver Yachts Association , info, images, history. »  History of Vancouver Yachts in the UK by Andrew Dandridge »  History of Pheon Yachts/Vancouver on Owner’s Site » Vancouver 28 on the Southerly website (Northshore Shipyard).

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Vancouver 27

The vancouver 27 is a 27.0ft cutter designed by robert b harris and built in fiberglass by northshore yachts (uk) since 1973..

The Vancouver 27 is a heavy sailboat which is slightly under powered. It is stable / stiff and has an excellent righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a bluewater cruising boat. The fuel capacity is originally small.

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Bluewater Sailboat – Vancouver 27

Also called: vancouver 27f, vancouver 274, vancouver 28, vancouver 27, “go anywhere” pocket cruiser.

The Vancouver 27, a “go anywhere” pocket cruiser built by Canadian Robert Harris in 1972, is the first in the Vancouver Yacht series.

This strong 27-foot cutter was specifically designed for couples who wanted to explore the oceans of the earth. The first boat, which was specifically constructed for this purpose, successfully completed a voyage from British Columbia to New Zealand and back. 

• LOA: 27′ 0″
• LWL: 22′ 11″
• Beam: 8′ 8″
• Draft: 4′ 3″
• Displacement: 8,700 lbs
• Ballast: 3,500 lbs
• Sail Area: 379 sq. ft.
• Headroom: 6′ 6″
• Designer: Robert B. Harris
• Builder: Tradewind Boats, Philbrooks Shipyard, Seair Marine Ltd (British Columbia, Canada)/Pheon Yachts, Northshore Yachts (UK)
• Year Introduced: 1972
• Total Built: over 250
• Engine: 3 cylinder Yanmar
• Fuel: 45 US Gal.
• Water: 65 US Gal.

The sturdy, attractive design garnered enough interest for moulds to be created from the second boat constructed.

More than 250 have been manufactured in all, including the extended 28 foot variant, the Vancouver 28, which is still being produced in England. Various versions went on to be created in Canada and England. When the moulds were destroyed by a storm in 1988, Canadian production came to a stop.

Her wide freeboard, tidy cockpit, and integrated bridge deck help prevent water below in choppy seas. The configuration of her keel, skeg, and stern-post shields her propeller and rudder from damage caused by grounding and fouling. Large amounts of headroom, storage capacity, and handling comfort are noticeable.

She is neither quick nor particularly close-winded, as would be expected from her design, but she is simple to handle in any situation and is perfect for a crew with fewer members. English sailor Rona House, who circumnavigated alone in her Vancouver 27, can attest to this. With the outboard rudder and cutter rig, a cruiser can use self-steering devices, which are their strongest companion on prolonged trips. Experience has proved that, even when loaded down with cruising gear, her classic hull shape can handle the rigors of offshore journeys.

The Vancouver 27’s interior features a practical small-boat layout with three berths as the standard, though a four-berth arrangement was also available, just right for a pair at sea. The three-berth version features a third berth in the saloon rather than a forward berth, providing plenty of space for stowage up front as well as enough for a roomy quarter berth, galley, and chart table. The comfort level inside is headed up by the 6′ 6″ headroom.

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She is small and quite heavy, but she contributes much in the case of speed or performance. She has a complete keel with a cutaway forefoot below the surface of the sea, which gives her a steady helm and good balance on all points of sail. A three-inch addition to the beam at the waterline strengthened the design in the UK, giving the hull a prominent tumblehome that the Canadian boats lack.

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NEW LISTING – 1979 Vancouver 27 ‘MARTHA MARIA’

Monday 18th September 2023

Mark Cameron Yachts are delighted to have been appointed to act in the sale of the 1979 Vancouver 27 ‘MARTHA MARIA’.

Robert Harris set up his own design office in Vancouver, Canada during 1972; following an early career in the Navy and cutting his teeth in yacht design with Crosby Yachts and Sparkmans and Stephens. The Vancouver 27 was the Robert Harris design offices first design, a client commission to design a pocket ocean cruiser for a crew of two to sail from Canada to New Zealand. The Vancouver 27 proved to be highly successful with the boat built under license in Britain and Canada, establishing the Vancouver brand.

The British Vancouver 27 ’s were built by Pheon Yachts and differ slightly with only the UK hulls having tumblehome, increasing stiffness when compared to the Canadian hull shape. MARTHA MARIA is a UK built example of the Vancouver 27 with the traditional three berth layout below decks. She has benefitted from regular maintenance and upgrading with her inventory including:

• Full osmosis treatment to underwater hull in 2004
• Nanni 20hp marine diesel engine
• Raymarine ST2000+ tiller pilot
• Aries windvane self-steering
• Tacktick wireless multi display showing Depth/Speed/Log information
• Icom M421 DSCVHF
• NASA AIS Radar display
• Taylors Spirit stove, two burner, gimbal mounted
• Refleks diesel stove cabin heater
• Standing rigging, fully replaced in 2004
• Selden Furlex 200Sroller reefing system on forestay for Genoa/Yankee (2009)
• Selden Furlex 100S roller reefing system on cutter stay for staysail (2015)
• Stackpack style mainsail cover (2014)
• Sprayhood (2015)
• Cockpit Tent (2016)
• Mainsail (2013)
• Staysail (2015)
• Lodestar inflatable dinghy

Lying ashore at Creran Marine in Argyll, the Vancouver 27 MARTHA MARIA is now available for viewing by prior appointment.

Find full details of the 1979 Vancouver 27 ‘MARTHA MARIA’ here

1979 Vancouver 27 ‘MARTHA MARIA’

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Vancouver 27 (28) made of gold? Halcyon 27 made of....?

• Thread starter Flizzaff
• Start date 9 Dec 2007

I sit here close into the northpole and wonder why the Vancouver 27 are such expensive? Boats here in that size costs maybe around 7,692 pounds to 11,538 pounds. (For example my Allegro 27, a very seaworthy long distans boat). I am curious about the Halcyon 27. Much sheaper boat. Please tell me about them! I have allready read a site wich describes the boats, but if you own/owned one of this boats then I want to know more. In this country they showed how they restoted a Vancouver 27 in a magazine. I like the model and wonder how is the hight in the cabin? I am 1,88 metres high.  

In my youth I was a joint services coxswain-instructor. We used Halcyon 27 for comp crew and day skipper courses. Being coxswain meant one was also responsible for all maintainance on two Halcyons. The ones JSSC has were made with an extra pilot berth but were a bit crowded with five on board for a week. Fine for three or four, though, at least by the standards of the day. By todays standards they would seem a bit cramped and gloomy, being deep with a narrow space between the main saloon bunks. They were very solidly built, derivative of a Folkboat, very stiff in a blow and were drier than the Contessa 32s that we had. it was rumoured that the JSSC boats were better built than standard though I don't know if that's true. The JSSC ones were all red with white decks and had military names (Cannonade, Rampart, etc)The biggest blow I had one out in was a force nine. The seas were frightening but the boats rode them with ease. I would have no hestitation in sailing a well found one anywhere in the world and would be on my list of sailaway boats if SWMBO would agree to something lacking modern standards of accomodation (she won't!) There is at least one owner who has a very tidy looking example on this forum. Have a look at the archive on www.yachtsnet.co.uk for a full description and pics.  

Can't comment directly on the Halcyon 27 but I had a Halcyon 23 for 3 years and loved her to bits. She was dead cheap because unfashionable (which relates to the other thread on here about trying to sell boats of that age and style.) Or she was cheap until I had to put a new engine in because keeping an elderly petrol one running was waaaaay beyond my capabilities. But with what I know now, I'd've factored that into the bargaining at the beginning! She was very solid and forgiving. We had some very exciting times due to inexperience and stupidity but despite general dufferness she looked after us. Sailed all over the Thames Estuary and the Channel to Falmouth in her. Only sold her to get the liveaboard sailaway boat and the 23' certainly isn't big enough for that! What everyone said was that despite being titchy she was a proper little boat - with lines and sailing ability of something more sizeable. So I don't kow why Halcyons don't get rated (maybe not enough coverage in the mags?) but I think that subject to the usual caveats about any boat (state of hull, equipment, sails etc) you get a good boat for your money.  

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The Vancouver is a result of supply and demand. The market is willing to pay that price and so they keep a high value. If you look at the US where there are several available, they go for a much lower sum.  

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I had a Halcyon 27... Quite possibly the best boat, of the many boats, that I have owned. Lovely looks, and very powerful performance. As has been said, very capable of taking heavy weather in their stride. In my view, a definite classic from the board of the great Alan Buchanan. I remember being somewhat pissed off, about ten years ago, when a certain James Jermain rang me to say that she didn't qualify for a Yachting Monthly anniversary 'Classics' event at Cowes! (If you're reading this James, I don't hold a grudge, it's all water under the bridge: you're momentary lapse in taste and judgement has been forgiven!). I often regret selling her, particularly having spent a fortune on refit. I don't know much about the Vancouvers, but aren't they a more modern boat, albeit still of a heavy, traditional style. Would that explain the difference in prices? Personally, I think the Halcyon wins on looks by a good margin.  

Re: I had a Halcyon 27... The Vancouver is almost a foot wider, which could make a lot of difference to the feeling of space down below and to stowage plus, as has been said, a more modern feel below.  

stevebirch2002

As you are in Swden - Vega As you live in Sweden then a comparable boat ito the Vancouver 27 in my opinion (obviouslly biased!) is the Albin Vega. Many have circumnavigated, hordes have crossed The Atlantic, in fact the Vega 27 held the record for crossing the Atlantic (Under 32 feet) for many years. Me, biassed - Of course I am!  

I too sailed Halcyon 27's out of Joint Services at Gosport so when I was looking to trade up from my 22' boat I went and looked at a couple as I recall they were practical boats. Sadly if you are over 6' and without the benefits of youth on the boats I viewed there is not a berth long enough to lie flat! Not been on a Vancouver 27 other than for drinks when visiting another Blue Ensign wearer but I do recall very good Pink Gin!  

charles_reed

Well all prices in the UK are over the top! Don't actually hold with retro-design (which is what the Vancouver is), but there are always people out there with more money....  

Re: HALCYON 27 JSSC boats WERE beefed up and much stronger construction. They were skimpily built by Offshore Yachts in Royston (where?). Alan Buchanan was an East Coast man, hence 4ft draft and compared with a Conti 26 or Invicta the boat was tender - I lowered the sail plan by 12" in an attempt to improve this. BUT she did have more headroom which is why I owned one a 'normal' one for several years. Having made this input almost annually there is a wealth of info in the archives. I always advise digging out Portsmouth Yardsticks of the time - am sure someone will post a link here if you ask nicely! PM me if you want more.  

I disagree! 1) The H27's were most definitely not skimpily built. Far from it. 2) I've not sailed a C26, but I used to sail on, and in company with, an Invicta quite a bit. The Halcyon seemed a more powerful boat than the Invicta in strong winds to windward.  

H27, C26 and Invicta... All had 4 foot draft. Halcyon and Invicta both had lead ballast, Contessa iron. Displacements (lbs): H27 6720, C26 5400, Inv 5130. Some nice pics of all these desirable boats if you search the archives of http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk  

Re: HALCYON 27 I have owned one now for over 5 years, and have still to find your skimpy building. The previous owners did two trans-Atlantic crossing with her, and were refitting for another when we bought her. With regard to it being tender, I have given up looking for this fault, in fact this is the first boat that the wife is happy to steer under canvas, as she handles so well. They are based on Alan Buchanan's Diamond class, a wooden design, that the mould was taken from for the Halcyon hull. She is based more on the East Anglian range of Aan's, rather than a Folkboat. The draft is 4 foot, but is a wide keel, so she carries the centre of gravity low down in the keel. Thay are a nice boat, but as with all boats, get aboard and see for your self. We were buying a SCOD, but it failed it's survey, came across the Halcyon 27, went aboard and it just felt right. Even to-day it still has that something, it just looks right, and on board it has that warm feeling that you get from a wooden yacht, but not the work. If you find one go and look and try, you will either love it, or go and look for something else. But if you do buy, sign up with the owner association. Good sailing Brian  

• Fr J Hackett

Well as no V27 owners or sailors have responded here goes. I owned one for several years, a 274 the four berth layout and the last or penultimate Pheon built boat but moulded by Northshore in 1986. I think the 27 gave way to the 28 in 1987 and had about nine inches added at the stern. They are very solidly built some say overly so and have a cutter rig to match I have heard of no rig losses many have circumnavigated and the boat is more at home offshore than coast hopping although if you are happy to put up with her stately ways coastal cruising is no problem, but don't expect to race her round the cans. She has a very kindly motion at sea and does not tire you out after extended passages and will certainly look after you in a blow. They are not particularly close winded and in light airs you will need a gennaker or cruising chute. You will have head room though and the interior fit out is superior to most boats of their vintage with a preponderance of teak as opposed to laminate or GRP the deck and other hardware again will be of decent quality, although many will have many miles under their keels and may reflect this. I have seen UK boats priced between 20K and 35K GBP wit 28s a little higer dependant upon age. A few of the earlier 1970s boats have suffered minor osmossis I know of one although most had an epoxy paint system applied at build. Without wishing to enter into an endless argument they are boats that appeal to a few and should anyone consider buying one a test sail or two in dfferent conditions would be advisable. Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.  

Re: HALCYON 27 my Dear Colin NO BOATS WERE SKIMPILY BUILT BY OFFSHORE YACHT of ROYSTON, HERTS SG8./forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif READ Benny Blobby, Bav,Jan /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif  

• 12 Dec 2007

Not so many Halcyon 27s for sale these days, but some 3-4 years ago there were quite a number on the market in very tired condition, and owner modified for various purposes. This to some extent set the market "price" for the design lower than it should have been in my opinion. If you can find a really good one, it'll probably be the best "bargain" you've ever had in a yacht. Someone mentioned lack of 6ft berths...in its standard form that's not true. All four berths give minimum 6ft and the two saloon berths have trotter boxes that extend this to 7ft+. Headroom is 6ft+ under the hatch, and that must have been a major selling point vs. its competitors at the time. One of the best balanced, easy motion boats I've ever sailed. Like all narrow beam Folkboat inspired designs, they heel initially then stiffen-up significantly with virtually no weight on the helm when going to windward. Many have made long blue water passages, although I have to say that packing months of stores into a such a narrow hull must have been a nightmare!! No experience of the Vancouver 27, but I imagine it must have all the same attributes as the Halcyon.  

• 15 Dec 2007

Burnham_Bob

Google OYCOA - that's the owners Association for useful information on the 27 In their time they were considered fast crusier racers. I've got a 23 and friends with 27s are delighted with them  

Slow_boat said: In my youth I was a joint services coxswain-instructor. We used Halcyon 27 for comp crew and day skipper courses. Being coxswain meant one was also responsible for all maintainance on two Halcyons. The ones JSSC has were made with an extra pilot berth but were a bit crowded with five on board for a week. Fine for three or four, though, at least by the standards of the day. By todays standards they would seem a bit cramped and gloomy, being deep with a narrow space between the main saloon bunks. They were very solidly built, derivative of a Folkboat, very stiff in a blow and were drier than the Contessa 32s that we had. it was rumoured that the JSSC boats were better built than standard though I don't know if that's true. The JSSC ones were all red with white decks and had military names (Cannonade, Rampart, etc)The biggest blow I had one out in was a force nine. The seas were frightening but the boats rode them with ease. I would have no hestitation in sailing a well found one anywhere in the world and would be on my list of sailaway boats if SWMBO would agree to something lacking modern standards of accomodation (she won't!) There is at least one owner who has a very tidy looking example on this forum. Have a look at the archive on www.yachtsnet.co.uk for a full description and pics. Click to expand...

I have a Vancouver 274 built 1985 and still in very good nick. I agree with all FJH said in #14. Mine is also a Phoen built boat with Northshore moldings. The 28 had two main differences to the 27, The 27 Transom is vertical with a vertical rudder with fixed skeg supported on an extension to the base of the keel, On the 28 the raked the transom aft as in a Folkboat and modified the support at the base of the keel. The rudder is semi balanced with no skeg. It was supposed to make the helm lighter but the 27 helm is not heavy. The main reason for that mod I suspect was to reduce the cost of the hull molding, it does also make removing the prop shaft without moving the engine easier. The second mod was to lift the gunwale line a bit to give more headroom in the forward cabin. A quality boat and very easy to single hand not fast. It was designed from scratch by Canadian Robert Harris to take a couple safely across the pacific from Canada to New Zealand. Don't know what Charles Reed means by a retro design? David MH  

I don't know the Allegro 27 but are you thinking of changing from this to another boat of similar size so that you can stand up inside?  

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Lime program introduces 100 scooters, 27 parking stations; but accessibility advocates raise concerns.

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A shared e-scooter system has officially hit the pavement in East Vancouver.  

Lime launched on Thursday, with 100 scooters and 27 parking stations across the Hastings-Sunrise and Grandview-Woodland neighbourhoods. 

"Get ready to embrace a new way of moving around Vancouver," said Mayor Ken Sim at a Thursday morning press conference. 

"It's a game changer." 

Lime representatives said Thursday's launch is part of a plan to expand across the city over the next few months, depending on how many people use the service. 

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Councillor Sarah Kirby-Yung, who led the initiative, says the city worked with Lime to adopt a model where the scooters cannot be left anywhere on the streets, but rather must be left at a docking station. 

"That was in response to a lot of the feedback we heard ... really wanting to ensure that our public space and sidewalks were kept clear," said Kirby-Yung. 

The scooters can be ridden in bike lanes and on streets with speed limits of 50 km/h or less, but are not allowed to be ridden on sidewalks. 

Users can choose to pay per ride or purchase monthly or daily passes. 

Lo Oliveira owns an e-scooter, which she says allows her to move more easily around Vancouver's downtown core, where she lives. 

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"I think it's the future of big cities, to have alternative transportation," she said. 

Accessibility concerns

Accessibility advocate Amy Amantea says having e-scooters on the streets can present difficulties for people with disabilities, including those who are blind or have low vision, like herself. 

"In my case, I don't see them coming in advance, I can't get out of the way of their path, and I don't hear them coming," she said. 

While she believes the docking system will reduce the abandonment of the scooters on the sidewalk, she says moving scooters on sidewalks are her biggest concern. 

"When we are all moving in the same space together and they have much more speed than I do ... that's where my biggest concern comes in." 

She says although the regulations don't allow riding on sidewalks, she frequently notices scooter users breaking the rules. 

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Michelle Gomez is a writer and reporter at CBC Vancouver. You can contact her at [email protected].

With files from Rafferty Baker

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